Why do narcissists lie
If so many of us are going through all of this personally and with our leaders will it ever stop becoz I read narcissism is getting worse. Or is this yet another nasty disease — society- has to learn to live with like AIDS or something? What they get out of it is narcissistic supply. The attention from being able to profoundly affect you. If you take away that emotional trigger from within you, regardless of what they are doing to you, then the psychic and literal feed to them stops and so does the behaviour.
They have to take it elsewhere to get the feed. At a deeper true Quantum soul level there is nothing more going on here, other than narcissists bringing to life in our experience, our own unhealed unmet inner fears and traumas.
When we turn inwards and heal those, they are released from our experience and we go free from abuse and all our abuse symptoms. That is the evolution reason in all of this … as Iris do succinctly wrote about in her comment. Every Thriver and myself, who came out of narcissistic abuse I was terrorised too including everything stolen smashed and desecrated….
Until we wake up and understand the truth and do the inner work to release and reprogram our trauma and painful beliefs. My father was a Covert narc. And a child molester, I came to understand. Not till my own 31 yr. I had been in this denial for for so long my whole life.
My dad was smart, he was a business owner, a professed Christian. He was very good at deceiving. Thank you Melanie Tonia Evans for your help for all of us who suffer from living with or having lived with in the past these strange, predatory people.
Yeah, I hated myself for a long time. Not anymore. Thankyou as always Melanie for this helpful article. Looking back over my 27 year marriage I realise now that he told so many lies and continued to do so until no contact a year ago. I really dont know if anything he said was actually true apart from the fact he left because of my illnesses and surgeries.
He lied about emptying the bank accounts and debts even in court when documents proved otherwise. In fact he would often say to me, dont you lie about anything!!! Hes 60 now yet couldnt cope having a cough or cold yet blamed my illnesses. People say to me move on remember all the awful things hes done to you, yet my brain remembers when he could be so nice and I think why did he single me out to be so cruel to when who hes with now will be treated so well.
I did recently contact his first wife as he was divorced when we met and she was so kind and gracious and I discovered he had told me so many lies about her so I assume hes lied about me to this other woman. About false self, lying and relationship. This confuses me, that are the extreme codependents also in different level and way doing the same kind of lying but really not in N-level, just for typical codependent way of controlling somebody?
So about lying, have you discovered codependents doing the same, who grew up in very unstable environment? But this phenomena is very interesting!!! Adding something…. The next level for you, is to show up honestly and share with love your observations and ask honestly for what you need with boundaries. Then you will see the people who can grow with you rise, those who cant fall away and a whole new stream of whole and capable people enter. Self honesty, brutal self honesty is a powerful weapon for defeating everything Narc.
The Bible calls the Truth a sword. It is the ONLY offensive weapon in our armor. With it applied to our own thinking we cut off the head of the enemies. The sword of Truth alone ends the struggle permanently. This is the beauty of NARP.. It is a method of telling ourselves the Truth finally. Thank you so much for this timely article, Mel! I absolutely loved it. It brought into alignment my emotional and logical processes to really see what had been going on and that yes, it truly was as bad as my intuition had been telling me.
Lies of omission, vague promises that never came to be were all part of his repertoire. Things got worse in March of after that. An 8 year situationship where communication started to deteriorate.
Walls were put up and yet I held on looking for any reflection of what our relationship had been. The blinders were finally pulled away in June of this year after being invited to a private FB page where I discovered puppy and kitten posts, memes of intelligent quotes and the perfect display of his altruistic self and the intelligence with which attracted me.
And I thought, why would she care if they were separated? I was immediately love bombed after, with him pretending all was well but I walked away at that point. I gave a pat excuse that there was no future and that I felt like an option and left it at that. I was too triggered and in too much pain to explain further and when next I saw him he was angry as he drove by. My ex spouse was a covert victim N. It was then I found Narp and have since been diligently working on healing myself but this, the lying, was the hardest to overcome to acknowledge it for what it was.
Your article resonates in relation to the Ns knowing they lie. What floors me is they pride themselves on honesty and integrity outwardly but their actions reflect the complete opposite. My only conclusion is they are a severely fractured individual and that is why they will not acknowledge nor attempt to heal the deep wounds that perpetuate this existence.
They cannot fathom the harm they cause others so how can they fathom the harm they do to themselves? I completely agree with you in how to render these individuals irrelevant to our own reality. My real take away from this article is this; until we acknowledge our Inner being as the predominant force in our lives and self-partner, we will be forever vulnerable to these vultures.
It is only in going within, usurping and shifting out the traumas can we find and dissolve the false beliefs we hold within thereby dissolving our own Inner Narcissist that looks without to gain its own feed through the manipulation. Because yes, I think our Egos do feed off this to perpetuate the negative peptide addiction to stop us from going within. A viscous circle that only we ourselves can end.
So again Mel, I thank you so much for this article. Lots of Love, Kathy xo. It is so true that the only emancipation for us, is to go within and ferret out release and uplevel the deep parts of us that are still hanging on to the pain, cognitive dissonance and obsession about it all. Thank you so much for this article Melanie. Several months back, I confronted my now-former-paramour about a toxic thing he did to bully a lifelong friend into no contact.
A few months later, he randomly changed my coffee order to what he ordered, and INSISTED that I actually wanted what he ordered and loudly shamed me for what I ordered, in public to the horrors of the other patrons.
It is very sad to see the person you love regress as you evolve… but in the end, I choose me. Thank you for your shining light! Your videos have helped me piece together a lot of the subtle layers of covert abuse, and escape from my emotional dungeon… I was able to break off the relationship calmly, rationally, and holding my dignity in check. And there are many beautiful decent people in the world to choose after we chose ourselves. The child ,like myself, becomes non-literate in many things and at best automatically operates at the command of whomever acts as overbearing and bullying.
The ppint then is that it left me withoit the knowledge as much as that there is more to my existance than to simply exist as the bidding of such whimp out losers for my broken extended family of origin..
No life. No welcome matt for i have no home of my own. Left in the squalidness of subsistance housing thus no real home only empty nonsense memories of bizzarrely being taken advantage of by everyone else.
What kind of losers somehow persieve this can be valuable to do this harm to their children but, to disavow the very existance of the one and only children. Gross and leaves their victim ME with a lifetime of never new there was a life of my own to live. Years of being gaslighted to the point I was quietly ashamed at how mentally unwell I obviously was when in fact I was being torn apart by someone who piled lies on lies.
Another time he was moping around, bored, when again I was preparing lunch, then he put his coat on and said he was suddenly going out. I have your book…is there a difference between your book and the purchased program online in terms of taking the steps to healing? Can someone just be a narcissistic person because of a drug like crystal meth, meaning can the drug cause a person to be narcissistic or does that behavour already exist?
However, narcissism may be an ingrained personality character defect, meaning whether straight or sober narcissism still exists. We have 4 sons. I was in denial regarding his personality disorder for 21 years! This was obviously bad enough.. I own the NARP system and have been working on it off and on for about a month. I crash for days at a time after going to a Drs appointment! I am completely dependent on HIM.
I am at the functional Dr. I MUST continue going to be able to heal physically! How do I support my two minor children? The more I do the first module, the more I pull away from him emotionally and physically. I refuse to allow him to bulldoze and make me miserable.
How is that possible when you are reliant on the Narc and they know it? Am I not getting as much benefit from the first module as I thought? However, the next step for you is to do the module work to detach from reacting, and to keep pulling fully back into your power and handing him so much less, so you can be the generative force of solution.
I promise you that there have been people in your situation within the community who have been able to heal within, and open up the space for supports, solution and even miracle to enter. Even when none seems possible. I hope that this can help guide you, and please know we are all sending you strength, breakthroughs and healing.
I was Stunned! My mom is a narc as well as my soon to be ex. I have trouble being around her and severely limit our time together. My question is…she is 75yrs old. Thank you so much. Your NARP program has been incredible. Also please google my resources about elderly narcissists and family narcissists, because this may help as well. I normally never leave comments. But, this is such an on point and well written article.
You truly know your subject accurately. I am married to a narcissist that I met at seventeen. Four kids and twenty-nine years later, I wish I knew what to avoid… Thank you for trying to impower others with information. Specifically, their lies revolved around themes of popularity, dominance, and appearance.
In another study , Facebook users were given tests of narcissistic personality traits, and also self-esteem. They found that higher levels of narcissism, and lower levels of self-esteem, predicted more self-promotional content.
Control is very important to the narcissistic liar. Again, this comes from the need for narcissistic supply. They need to be in control in order to put themselves at the top of the social totem poll. Lies help them control what people think about them and how people act around them. They can indulge in their own desires at will. I was only at the bar! Your memory is so bad! At this point, your questioning your own sanity. He seems so sure about it. This sort of deliberate, calculated lying is more common in people with malignant narcissism , which is sort of a cross between narcissism and psychopathy.
Malignant narcissists display little to no empathy, and they often lie and abuse not just to gain control, but because they enjoy it.
When it comes to self-aggrandising lies — the sort of lie that lines up with how narcissists like to see themselves — they probably do believe them. It would be very hard for them to believe otherwise, because that would mean catching a glimpse of their true self-worth — something narcissists strive to avoid. In these cases, the narcissist likely knows they are lying, and is doing so consciously.
A study at Ariel University in Israel found a connection between narcissistic personality traits, and the frequency that people say they lie. They also found that, not only do narcissists admit to lying more, they believe they are better at lying than other people and there may be some truth to that — practice makes perfect after all.
If you have a narcissist in your life who is constantly lying, whether to boost their own ego or to manipulate you, you might wonder, do narcissists lie all the time?
Is the narcissist a pathological liar? The answer, is probably not. Pathological liars, generally speaking, lie compulsively. When they see an opportunity to tell a lie, they are powerless to resist it. Think of it like this — in any conversation, the brain is churning away in the background, coming up with things you might say next. There is no accountability for lying.
And, they will lie to you. Not that everyone needs to know every thought or fact about our lives. However, the narcissist will mislead, omit or outright lie about huge aspects of their lives and tell themselves they are protecting people, not hurting them. Do narcissistic traits originate from the same childhood place that codependent traits do? Plus, are the two personality types compatible or toxic?
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