Should i kill kematu or saadia

Hammerfell was successfull in fighting of the Aldmeri Dominion and they're still in a full scale war against them.

Thus her having to flee the country because she spoke up against the Dominion does not make sense, it however makes sense if she sided with the wrong side. Also the great houses of Hammerfell all united against the Dominion. She said she spoke out against someone in high power just to let you know i dont want to be dragged into the arguement i was just letting you know commented 9 years ago by anonymous.

I got the sex mod then fucked the shit out of her then turned her into the alik'r. Well, I sided with Saadia instead of Kematu. When I spoke to Saadia, I found that she lacked proof of her claims so I decided to listen to what Kematu had to say before making up my mind. I found that he was too arrogant and that enough was reason to kill him for me that is. I still don't believe Saadia but since there's a chance she might be telling the truth, I let her live and if ever, I find out later that she was lying which I know won't happen don't worry , I'll kill her.

Simple as that. Besides, I think it's better to have the girl's grattitude rather than some mercenary's pouch of gold. Don't think I really need to say why.

I also know that this won't happen in the game. Actually, all the places mentioned in the Bible are real places. They just have different names today. And we don't base our evidence on places, we base our evidence on faith and realizing that life has a purpose other than being born, spending years or however long you and I might live trying to get as much awesome stuff and have as much fun in this world as possible which won't last We see that there is something more than wasting your life partying and getting stoned and drunk and probably dying before you hit 50 because you party all the time.

We see that God has made us for a purpose. Good luck with your life. This will all pass quickly. This kind of faith is also seen in movies where a robot is like "But sir, the odds are Also Nazareth is not a real place, regardless of names if you look at the geology, and other such information from the bible and historical texts The only hint of a place being there was some objects dated to times that don't match up with the bible.

FYI Nazareth is where Jesus was born according to the bible, if it doesn't exist then what does that say about everything else the bible says about Jesus? All in all this is about Skyrim not your BS Religion. Before this discussion gets any more stupid or disrespectful than it needs to be, I'd like to ask everyone else wishing to comment after this to not turn this into a "religion" thing.

Not the place for religious argumentations. Also, even if you do not agree with someone's views, refrain from using foul language. It leads nowhere! Just got on this forum to figure out if I should side with Kematu or Saadia. I didn't get on here to listen to some petty argument over a video game.

Frankly, you're all making this little problem into a big one. And, yes, I realize that I probably offended some people with this coment, but seriously I stopped caring after I was called sexist for playing Skyrim, my religion was insulted, and I filtered through these arguments before I could find the information I was looking for. And yes, I do realize that I may have greatly misinterpreted your meaning and would encourage you to tell me what you meant by all of those offensive comments.

Thank you, and have a nice day. The Bible says jesus was born in Bethlehem, as in "the star of bethlehem". He's Jesus of Nazareth because it's the home of his ancestry and family and where he was raised. Ever heard anything about "no more rooms at the inn, so they stayed with the animals", like in those nativity scenes that are all over the world come christmas time? It's 'cause they were visiting a distant place from their home when he was born. Alright just going to toss my two sense in here, you keep saying the reason you were about to be executed was because you were caught sneaking in with "the biggest terrorist in the country" yet Ulfric was not only already in Skyrim but was also arrested for murdering the high king not sneaking illegally into Skyrim so in other words you WERE arrested for sneaking in and were about to be executed for it I write this more for the benefit of anyone reading your comment than I do as a correction to you.

Of course, they are refuting both non-Christian historical and archaeological evidence that proves that this small city was in existence in the 1st century: a roman bath house, a Jewish dwelling, etc. It is neither good nor honest scholarship to claim that this city did not exist in the 1st half of the 1st century, but a biased desire to undermine belief in Christianity.

You would be better served in spending time finding validity to your Theory of Evolution than in trying to discredit a historical writing that has proven itself — to the astonishment of the medical, scientific and archaeological world — repeatedly trustworthy.

I sided with Saadia for one simple reason: I took sympathy on her awful predicament due to the fact that I could relate to her after being wrongfully accused and very close to execution at the beginning of the game. I remember reading in one of the books, think it was called 'the great war' they mention the Alik'r warriors being the only ones left in Hammerfell waging war against the Thalmor, so I'm pretty sure Saadia is the one lying, but it also said that the Alik'r mercenaries and their loyalty can be unreliable.

Actually, the facts ARE on Kematu's side: The lore of the game in the books clearly states that Hammerfell separated from the Empire because the Empire gave up on Hammerfell, which turned out to be stupid for the Imperials because while the AD invaded far into Hammerfell, the Redguards ended up punting their asses back out.

Famous mercenaries which the prisoner states "if you know.. Further, a noblewoman who was trying to hedge her bets because she thought the Thalmor were going to win the war against Hammerfell decides to try to get in good with them and betray her own people, Many people have given a ton of arguments for and against, but the very clear winner to me is Kematu.

Saadia bet on the wrong horse and left to hide from her rightfully vengeful House. Oh, and of the many characters I have that have ran the quest, I almost always help Saadia if my character is male, but absolutely do not help her with my female characters. All my characters about 20 loath the Thalmor. Second of all, stop being so ignorant. Be sides kamatu aint allowed in the city but saadia is so it aint because of there race then why are thay banned commented 7 years ago by anonymous.

You have to ask yourself why are the Alikir looking for her? They aren't assassins they are similar to the Companions in Hammerfell.

That's why I sided with them. Which is better? Are you looking for the moral compass or monetary benefit? I see someone has already answered the monetary benefit, so I'll add my take on moral decision.

It appears in the situation its the word of one against the other, since no additional information or evidence can be found. I sided with Kematu for the following very debatable reasons: 1. Saadia came off as crass. I didn't get the feeling an innocent women running for her life from assassins would act the way she did. Understandable she is scared and desperate, but I still didn't feel I was dealing with a wrongly accussed person. She was very bitter after my discussion with Kematu.

No thank you, or anything for trying to help her, just a stinker. I felt used. Unlike Kematu who was humble and gracious after the capture. After Saadia's capture, Kematu shares a unknown before then reward with you that he was supposedly receiving when he got back.

I don't believe he promised you any reward, just asked for your help, so didn't feel an assassin wouldn't offer that up after the fact and also tell you "Don't allow yourself to be fooled by a pretty face again, you're better than that. Kematu wanted to capture her in a public place Stables. Then he paralyzed her, to take her back. I would think an assassin would prefer to capture her in private with the opportunity to set a trap for the one bringing her back to tie up any "loose ends.

And speaking of public, the Alik'r were having a heated discussion with the CIty Guard about the woman and one of their members that had been jailed. Don't think assassins would be publicly meeting with the City Guard to talk about all that at the main entrance. They would have left him behind, disavoying any knowledge of their involvement, and keeping well away from the city guard thereafter and keeping their mission secret and not asking random people on the street to help them and explaining everything that was going on.

Again, I understand these are very debatable answers and flimsy at best. But this was all I had to try to slide off the fence one way or the other. I killed the Alik'r, didn't liek the attitude much. They are in fact very good points. But here's my perspective: I think the best answer is riding on the stereotypical idea of what an assassin is. People who act charismatic and open are not always morally upright. There are silver-tongued and intelligent people who can be sent to capture someone.

They may not technically be assassins, but there is also no evidence to suggest that these men are not hoping to capture and bring this woman to a death that is meant to ensure their own personal gain. I think this quest was simply meant to be decided based on how you personally felt in one direction or another. There is no way to know which side is "better" or otherwise, and just because they don't sneak around like ninjas and were gracious and rewarding didn't mean anything morally to me.

It just meant they paid me for getting them what they wanted and tried to sweet talk me into doing it. Still, I sided with Kematu purely because I WAS aware beforehand that the outcome didn't matter either way, and that I simply enjoyed Kematu's demeaner moreso than Saadia's I-don't-give-a-hoot attitude towards me helping her. Actually Kematu said he wasn't an assassin, that is just what Saadia said to get you to help her.

I agree with most points, except number 2. He does offer a reward before you agree to help him, his words are, "If you help me I'll share some of the bounty with you". Anybody noticed that the dungeon where Kematu is located is called "Swindler's Den"?

He just wants to capture 1 person. Normally I would have sided with Kematu. I finally decided to kill him and his mens, just to do the opposite of my usual way. I realised by doing this that my character was deeply allergic to people trying to control others. That's what I like about this game, you make your own story.

I still feel quite guilty, cause I know some people will be really mad back in Hammerfell, and that maybe I just caused a diplomatic disaster. I sided with Kematu on this one. He just felt like a better character compared to Saadia. Plus, if you do manage to kill Saadia while bringing her to Kematu, he gets angry at you for messing everything up.

No way an assassin would just get pissed and walk away after his mark just got killed. Just shows that his intent was to capture and not to kill, and on the other hand Saadia's goal was plainly just to kill.

Now tell me who's the cop, and who's the fugitive? Another clue that they're not really assassins is the random encounter where you meet two Alik'r soldiers "harassing" a Redguard woman. They soon realize their mistake that the woman was not Saadia and let the woman free. Assassins would have just killed the woman anyway, just to be sure. I think the reason they were hiding in the bandit cave was because a they were keeping a relatively low profile, or b the racists of Skyrim wouldn't let them stay in their towns anyway.

They looked shady because they were foreigners. If you want items and equips though, just kill Kematu and his men. If you just want gold, let Kematu capture Saadia and after he gives you the bounty just kill him. Talk to Saadia, get her reward, then kill her and loot her stuff. I was pretty rich at this point and had full Daedric smithed gear, so I only cared about doing the relatively morally right thing.

Went with the girl after reading the postings. If it has no affect on game play I would rather have another female around my favorite home town with a nice rack. Also I had just finished a set of enchanted armor and wanted a good fight.

Easy fight if you decide to kill. Saadia tells this gambit was quite risky. Also, Saadia only contract player to exterminate Kematu, not the operatives. Actually, Kematu's team are many and well fortified in the cave i guess thats why they succeed at becoming famous women solicitors only Also, Kematu is obviously holding a reward, player did actual job. I killed Kematu and his men.

Then returned to Saddia, killed her and took her hoarker loaf. Best ending in my opinion commented 9 years ago by anonymous. I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say she did say they were bringing her back to Hammerfell for a public execution and Kematu did promise half of the bounty for her capture and would have had to pay that before returning to Hammerfell. Also, she didn't ask for the player to kill all of them, she said if Kematu was killed the others would scatter which arguably doesn't had since two warriors hangout near the gates of Whiterun at any given time and I still see them harassing Redguard women on the roads.

In the end, both sides are pretty shady and one of them has to be lying so the "moral" decision is tough and that was the goal Bethesda was trying to achieve. Well, I ended up helping Kematu and the Alik'r capture Saadia at the stables, simply because I felt that there was a higher possibility that she did sell out the city.

But I am working on clearing out all the caves and bandit camps, ETC. Wow, if I'm ever accused of a crime I didn't commit, I sure hope none of you wind up sitting on my jury lol. Kematu didn't provide any evidence. Neither did Saadia. Therefore, given a lack of evidence, my reaction would be to let them both live. Saadia was ok with this so long as she could live in peace. Kematu, on the other hand, made it clear he would not leave Skyrim without her.

Therefore, he forced me to kill him in order to stop an unlawful kidnapping. Also, the fact that he was hanging out in a cave with a bunch of bandits who tried to kill me certainly doesn't help his credibility.

And why should we consider that obscure walkthrough that nobody's ever seen before? If you want an authoritative source, go to UESP. There, you'll find that, in fact, you do NOT need to side with Kematu or Saadia to complete the quest; either one is acceptable. Therefore, that walkthrough you linked to is inaccurate and thus completely worthless. I helped Kematu and got a lot of gold, I think it was , I doubt Saadia can pay that much.

Nicely put! Oooh a pissing contest! My turn, my turn! Saadia pays gold as well. I don't think anyone posting here can claim the high ground when it comes to having a life. I've got every house and , gold left over. My horse is also faster than yours. So there. There was 66 gold and several enchanted items. I tried both methods, and in the end chose to kill kematu.

The end reward for both is the same: gold. There is no clear indication who is telling the truth, and there doesn't seem to be any long term consequence in choosing either.

The only good drop you'll get from Kematu and his men is potentially their swords. They aren't worth much but are one handed with 18 attack, which was better than my sword at the time. The reason why I chose to keep my save where I killed Kematu and his men was because of the attribute points I got during the battle. If you have trouble with the battle though, it isn't worth reloading a bunch of times, just side with Kematu.

You can loot the chest either way. Kematu claims to be trying to bring Saadia home with him to face justice, but if you turn Saadia over he actually simply murders her, and her body appears in the Whiterun Hall of the Dead.

So, unless she has been rude to you in the past, side with Saadia. Kematu claims she turned over the city of taneth to the thalmor in the great war. Why are they only pursuing her now, thirty years later? Whereas, a noblewoman who spoke out against the thalmor, and has an assassination contract put out on her. She has the resources to make it to white run, due to being a noble.

Kematu uses an excuse to prevent being persecuted by the Nord's. The Alik'r also had an altercation with the guards already. Real honorable, them. The Alik'r are not allowed in the city, so for now she is perfectly safe. For these reasons I almost always end up siding with Kematu. The purpose of this quest I think is to make you question which is the right option to take. It is intentionally unclear. My logic was this: The Alik'r were shunned by Whiterun, that's saying something.

Perhaps they have a bad reputation for being dirty mercenaries. It is more likely that an individual spoke out against an organization rather than one individual causing the fall of Taneth. The Aldmeri have always been able to win fights without the assistance of individuals, especially noble women, who may or may not have access to military secrets. If she had caused the downfall of Taneth, why would she hide outside of Aldmeri territory? She could be easily protected elsewhere.

On the other hand, were they killed by 'regular' murderers this wouldn't enrage you politically. Although they are allowed to hunt down worshippers of Talos, they do not hold any authority to enforce local laws or their own in Skyrim. Keep in mind the Aldmeri agreed to sign a peace treaty that is of great advantage but doesn't grant unlimited powers.

Show 5 more comments. Kematu might be telling the truth The first time you talk to Saadia, she pulls a knife on you. While this may seem like an act of desperate defiance, it may hint at a violent and unpredictable personality. Saadia seems hesitant to explain the full situation, while Kematu elaborates on it fully. Is Saadia's reticence due to her guilt? The man you can free from jail seems strangely honourable, saying he has shamed his companions and wants to begin anew.

If Kematu really was an assassin, why paralyse her at the end of the quest - why not just stab her and be done with it? He also mentions justice, and taking her into custody, and implies that Saadia will face a trial back in Hammerfell rather than swift execution. All this points to him and his warriors being enforcers rather than assassins. Kematu's opening line - "We can avoid any more bloodshed. This would make the dominion hiring them most strange.

It is then important to consider this: Is hiring Redgaurd assassins the style of the Dominion? They have a certain level of free reign within the Empire. Why would they need to hire human assassins to kill someone? They have the Justiciars doing that for the Thalmor. Saadia specifically wants you go and kill Kematu. Why does she want that? The Alik'r are not allowed in the city, so for now she is perfectly safe. For these reasons I almost always end up siding with Kematu.

Lore Friendly Lore Friendly 7, 33 33 gold badges 79 79 silver badges bronze badges. I side with Kematu, because I probably can't take on 20 assassins with curved swords.

I tend to believe Kematu as well, mostly for the reasons you outlined. The primary thing that reinforced my belief was that he paralyzed her and took her back, rather than simply killing her on sight. Pulling a knife is what anyone would do. He might just be hired and loyal to who hired him. They're already not liked in Whiterun. You catch more flies with honey. Not saying you're wrong, only that there's a secondary explanation for everything, even if only so as to get you convinced to take their side.

Flater re. An additional point in favour of Kematu is that if you kill Saadia at the exchange, he laments the wasted effort, so clearly he wasn't just planning on murdering her once they're out of your sight. Meanwhile Saadia's burial urn, which appears in Whiterun afterwards, could have been sent back for whatever reason e. Show 2 more comments. Slade Slade 1 1 silver badge 2 2 bronze badges.

Punishment for treason is death, so it proves nothing. Why not in Hammerfell? Arkku Why, after an execution in Hammerfell, would they send her ashes back to Skyrim? Nothingatall "To let the player in Skyrim know it has happened. Show 1 more comment. My assumptions: Kematu is an Alik'r warrior. Having those assumptions out of the way here are some history facts from "The Great War": Skyrim begins at 4E In 4E 27 years prior to Skyrim General Decianus was preparing to drive the Aldmeri back from Skaven when he was ordered to march for Cyrodiil.

In 4E 26 years prior to Skyrim The Emperor encouraged [The Aldmeri Dominion] in their belief that he was preparing to surrender; meanwhile, he gathered his forces to retake the Imperial City. In 4E at the end of the war In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. In 4E the White-Gold Concordat is signed. My Conclusions - Feel free to make your own based on the given facts I doubt that 21 year is enough to clear up all the bad blood between the altmer and the redguards especially with the redguards being involved in gibbeting one of their more famous generals.

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